PC_06-07-78_Meeting_MinutesMINUTES OF THE MEETING
OF THE
FREDERICK COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
Held in the Board of Supervisors' Room June 7, 1978.
PRESENT: C. Langdon Gordon, Chairman; Frank Brumback, Vice Chairman;
Manuel DeHaven; James Golladay, Jr.; W. French Kirk; Thomas
Rosenberger; Elmer Venskoske; Herbert L. Sluder
ABSENT: None.
CALL TO ORDER
The Chairman called the Meeting to order and proceeded to the first order
of business:
Minutes of the Meeting - May 3, 1978 -- Approved as Submitted
May 17,1978 -- Approved with Correction
page 449 -- line 16 -- add "Hollis" to "Mr. Marshall"
Upon motion made by Frank Brumback and seconded by Elmer Venskoske,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby approve both sets of minutes (May 3, and May 17) as submitted
with the one correction.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
SITE PLANS
Site Plan #010 -78 -- request for approval of a High's Store in the Frederick Mall
Shopping Center.
Action -- Recommend Approval
Mr. Berg told the Commission that several weeks ago the Board of Supervisors
had approved a three (3) lot subdivision for the Frederick Mall Shopping Center
located on Route-522 and Fox Drive. He stated at the time of approval, the Board of
Supervisors had.requested that the Site Plans for these three lots be presented
before the Commission and the Board for their examination and to see how the traffic
volume could be handled. Since the Apple Pie Ridge High School Campus is being
built close to this location the Board also wanted to know the type of buildings
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that would be proposed. Mr. Berg told the Commission this request was the first
for the three lots. He stated that the developer had removed a portion of the
curbing along Route 522, North, and they would be replacing At with new curbing
so that they would have a deceleration lane coming off Route 522. Mr. Berg told
the Commission the Highway Department had approved this arrangement and it also
met with one of the Board requirements of providing a means for the traffic to _.
come off Route 522. Mr. Berg pointed out that the High's store was proposing
to front the store on Route 522 with a blank wall facing the traffic coming out
of Winchester. He suggested that the facade not face Route 522 as proposed
because the blank wall and the trash container would not be attractive to the
people traveling the road.
Billy J. Tisinger, attorney substituting for Harry K. Benham, III of Harrison
and Johnston attorneys at law (representative of this site plan for Shenandoah
Valley National Bank, Trustee) appeared before the Commission. Mr. Tisinger
stated that Mr. Berg had stated all the facts but he added that the County did
not have the authority to say how a building would be located on the lot. He
also maintained that the dumpster would be put inside an enclosure next to the
building so that it would not be an eyesore when the Shopping Center was built.
A discussion followed and Mr. Tisinger stated that they could fence the
dumpster.
A discussion followed on the entrances proposed for the mall. Mr. Berg pointed
out that the entrances had been recommended by the Alan Voorhees Associates, Inc.,
transportation, environmental and urban planning consultants.
More discussion followed on the block wall. Mr. Tisinger told the Commission,
windows could not be put in the side of the building because of the need for
shelving space and also a concern for saving energy by reducing the amount of heat
required. Mr. Tisinger stated they could put bricks on the side for an aesthetic
view.
A brief discussion followed.
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Upon motion made by Thomas Rosenberger and seconded by James Golladay, Jr.,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors of this
Site Plan with the store facing Route 522 with the restrictions that the trash
container should be placed in such a manner where it would not be shown, and
instead of a block wall the sides should be brick that would be attractive
to the general public.
The motion passed by the following vote: Venskoske; Brumback -- NO
Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Rosenberger; Chairman -- YES
Site Plan No. 012 -78 -- request for approval of a model home to front Route 642
near the intersection with Route 37.
Action -- Recommend Approval
Mr. Berg told the Commission this site plan was for a model home and sales
unit that would be located fronting Route 642. The proposal was for a driveway
to come in fromiRoute 642tand extend to the back of the model home with sixteen
(16) parking spaces, and a building to be built in the back of the property for
storage and possible machine work. Mr. Berg stated that the developer felt
that paving the entire road area from Route 642 would be to expensive for this
type of operation,:.therefore, it was requested that the paving area extend from
Route 642 to the front of the model home. Mr. Berg noted that the storage
building was not definite as to its use and,therefore, he was suggesting that the
building be deleted from the site plan until further details would be available and
the building could meet the specified requirements of the Ordinances. He stated
the entrance had met with Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation
requirements, the Health Department had approved:the septic system, and the
sedimentation control was shown on the site plan.
Mr. Charles Heath, applicant, appeared before the Commission and showed them
a photograph of the model home he was proposing to build. He stated he would like
to keep the house back off Route 642 as he had proposed but if he had to pave the
entire area, then he would have to put the.house closer -to the road. Mr. Heath.
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stated the storage building would be for storing additional logs and small
supplies and also they would be doing some small carpentry work in preparation
for building the houses.
A discussion followed about-the storage building and Mr. Berg pointed out
that the building had not been designed, therefore, he felt there was not enough
information to consider it. Mr. Heath stated he was willing to remove the
storage building from the Site Plan and present it at a later time when the
building was designed.
The Commission held a brief discussion.
Mr. Sluder, sanitarian from the Health Department, stated he did not foresee
any problem with the storage building. He added Mr. Heath would probably have
to put in another small drainfield for the building.
Upon motion made by Frank Brumback and seconded by Manuel DeHaven,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia, does hereby recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors of the
Site -Plan No. 012 -78 with the deletion of the storage building.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
SUBDIVISION
Request for subdivision approval for one (1) lot fronting old Route 522.
Action -- Recommend Approval
Mr. Berg told the Commission this was a request for one lot fronting
Garber Road and consisting of 20,000 square feet. He stated the lot would be
used for a Chiropractic clinic.
Donald Garber, applicant, appeared before the Commission and told them the
lot was between Bigman's Restaurant and the first single family home on Garber
Road.
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Mr. Golladay asked about the drainage problem that had existed in the
area.
Mr. Garber stated the drainage problem had been corrected. He told the
Commission they had put a.culvert in at an angle and the water now drained
onto an open lot.
A brief discussion followed.
Upon motion made by W. French Kirk and seconded by Manuel DeHaven,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors of this
subdivision request.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Zoning Map Amendment Petition No. 004 -78 of Clark E. Copenhaver Sr., Jack
Shapiro and Ralph J. Curry of T /ACS & C ;,c /o Thomas C. Baker, RR X13, Box;.
Winchester, Virginia, hereby requests that 4.18 acres, at Kernstown between
U. S. Route 11, South and Battaile Drive on State Route 652 now zoned Business -
General (B -2) and Industrial- General ( -2 ) be rezoned: Industrial- Limited,
( -1 ). This property is designated as parcel numbers 98 and 107 on Tax Map
Number 63 and'is in Shawnee Magisterial District.
Action -- Recommend Denial
Mr. Berg told the Commission the property was located at Kernstown between
Route 11 South and Battaile Drive on Shawnee Drive (Rt. 652) and consisted of
4.18 acres. The applicant was proposing to use the property for warehousing.
Mr. Berg stated it was proposed that a total of 60,000 square feet in several
different buildings be erected; the size of the buildings would depend on the
tennant's requirements.
Thomas Baker, optionee for the property, appeared before the Commission and
told them he was asking for the property to be zoned:one zoning and he was asking
for an up- zoning. He stated the buildings would be used strictly for storage and
no employees would be on the site. Mr. Baker stated the buildings would be built
one at a time.
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There was some discussion and the Commissioners showed a concern because
the City of Winchester had not responded with a comment on the sewer hook -up.
Mr. Berg stated he had no way of knowing if arrangements could be made for the
connection.
It was noted that the area of the property in question was listed in the
Land Use Plan as an Industrial area. It was also noted that the property faced
a Residential section.
The Commission discussed the traffic that would be added to the area from
the warehousing and also the noise from the trucks.
Mr. Golladay asked Mr. Baker if the Church that adjoined the property had
any objections to the noise from the trucks.
Mr. Baker stated that the.Church had been notified of the public hearing and
he had talked with them and they had no objections. Mr. Baker stated that they
were aware that half the property was already zoned M -2.
Mr. Baker told the Commission he had planned to build five (5) small buildings
and two (2) larger ones on the property.
Mr. Brumback stated his concern for the residents because he maintained that
when the buildings were leased out it would be hard to control and there could be
quite a bit of disturbance created.
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Marshall Glass, resident of Shawnee Drive, appeared before the Commission and
stated he lived directly across from the property in question. He stated he was
concerned about the zoning change and what effect it would create for the neighbor-
hood. He questioned how the property had received the M -2 zoning in the first place.
Mr. Glass stated he wondered what effect a drainfield (if one were involved) would
have on the residents wells. He showed a concern for the amount of dust�:and the effects.
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of the vegetation removal, and the influence on the amount of added drainage
from the property.
Mr. Glass stated he would like to see the property zoned Residential.
OPPOSITION
Betty Jo Glass (Mrs. Marshall Glass) appeared before the Commission and
stated that she liked where she lived and she would not want the environment
changed. She stated the driveway to the property would be directly across
from their driveway and the traffic on weekends would be undesirable.
A discussion was held on the width of Shawnee Drive, and the effects of
the traffic and the noise.
Upon motion made by Thomas Rosenberger and seconded by Manuel DeHaven,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia, does hereby deny this rezoning request because the Commission feels
that a smaller piece of property should be asked to be rezoned and a certain
building should be designed so that the residents would know exactly what was
being proposed.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
Mr. Golladay made a comment that he didn't feel the application should be
heard since the comments from the city of Winchester on the availability of
water and -sewer had not been received.
Zoning Amendment Petition No. 005 -78 submitted by the Frederick County Planning
Commission who hereby requests that the properties bounded by Interstate 81 on
the West, by Senseny Road on the South, by Greenwood Road on the East, and by
Route 7 on the North which generally includes the subdivisions of Shenandoah
Hills, Frederick Heights, Green Acres, Rolling Fields, Country Club Estates,
Brookland Heights, and Heritage Hills now zoned Residential- Limited ( -1 and
R -2) be rezoned: Residential- General ( -3 ). These properties are in Shawnee
Magisterial District.
Action -- Recommend Approval
Mr. Berg stated this rezoning was referred to the Commission by the Board of
Zoning Appeals. He stated most of the lots in this area meet the requirements
of the R -3 zoning.
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A brief discussion was held.
There being no one to speak for or against this amendment the following motion
was made by W. French Kirk and seconded by James Golladay, Jr.,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia, does hereby recommend approval of this rezoning request to the Board
of Supervisors.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE FREDERICK COUNTY CODE, CHAPTER 21, ZONING, ADOPTED
OCTOBER 13, 1976, TO AMEND SECTIONS: 21 -1, 21 -6, 21 -10, 21- 36(e), 21- 44(e),
21- 52(h), Article XVII, 21 -144, 21- 147(g), 21- 148(x), 21- 148(y), 21- 149(e),
21- 157(e) and 21- 157(f).
Action -- Recommend Approval
Mr. Berg told the Commission this was a public hearing:to change the
Zoning Ordinance having to do with changes to the flood plain district, the
site plan requirements, and to add hospitals with a Conditional Use Permit to
the R -1, R -2, and R -3 zonings. He stated the Flood Plain section tracts the
minimal Federal Insurance Administration requirements.
Mr. Sluder asked if the flood plain section would preclude septic systems
in the flood plain areas.
Mr. Berg stated the section would not preclude septic tank systems but it
would require certain designed modifications to the water and sewerage treatment
plants.
A brief discussion followed.
There being no one to speak for or against this amendment the following motion
was made by Manuel DeHaven and seconded by W. French Kirk,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors of this change
to the Zoning Ordinance.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
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AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE FREDERICK COUNTY CODE, CHAPTER 18, SUBDIVISION OF LAND
ADOPTED OCTOBER 13, 1976 TO AMEND SECTIONS: 18 -2, 18 -24, 18 -25, 18 -26, 18 -27,
18 -32.1, 18 -35.1, 18 -46.1, 18 -47, 18 -67, 18 -69, 18 -73, 18 -74.
Action -- Recommend
Mr. Berg told the Commission this was a public hearing to make a change
to the Subdivision Ordinance dealing with the flood plain requirements, the
roadway requirements, and large lots. Mr. Berg stated that when these changes
were approved the County would be in full compliance with the requirements
for the full Flood Insurance Program effective on July 17.
A brief discussion was held.
There being no one to speak for or against this amendment the following motion
was made by James Golladay, Jr. and seconded by Frank Brumback,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors of this
change to the Subdivision Ordinance.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
GENERAL
Mr. Rosenberger stated that he would like to clarify a statement that had
been made after the joint meeting with the City of Winchester and the County Planning
Commissioners. Mr. Rosenberger stated that he had made it quite clear that there
was a traffic problem on Route 642 and he thought the City and the County could do
something as a joint body to alleviate this problem. He stated that the remark
made by the City was very critical of the Commission when they said the Commission
should have made a recommendation that the City approve or disapprove the Apple
Acres Subdivision and he strongly disagreed with them. Mr. Rosenberger stated
that he did not feel the County should tell the City to approve or disapprove
anything if it was in the City and likewise he didn't feel the City should tell
the County to approve or disapprove something that is in the County. Mr. Rosenberger
stated that the County had held two work sessions with the Highway Department and he
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believed they now had a firm commitment that Route 642 would be completed with a
forty -five (45) foot road surface by October 1979. He added that if the City
of Winchester did not move along at the same timetable as the County "come
October 1979, the neck of the bottle would be at the City limits ".
JOINT CAPITAL FACILITIES PROGRAM
Mr. Golladay told the Commission that the Joint Capital Facilities Committee
had recommended to the Board of Supervisors and the City Council to accept a
contract with VVKR Partnerships to come up with a plan not to exceed $28,500
on a six (6) month timetable. Mr. Golladay stated the plan should be available
by December so that the local planning could start for the program.
WORKSESSION
Proposed Study of Fiscal Impact
Mr. Berg told the Commission that some weeks ago, Mr. Elmore from Daniel
A. Robinson and Associates, had made a presentation to them to do a Capital
Improvements Program and a study of fiscal impact of residential development
on the County. He stated the need still exists to get some idea of what
residential development is costing the County in terms of revenues and services
provided. Mr. Berg stated he had requested Mr. Elmore to present a proposal
of what work he could do to make a fiscal impact study. He told the Commission
the fee of $6,000 would be available through Federal Counter Cyclical Funds
which had been allocated to this project. Mr. Berg stated the proposal was to
study all the various aspects of the cost of development and balance it against
a very thorough study of the revenues derived. Mr. Berg stated that the item of
revenues is very difficult because it includes studies of the state and federal
revenues that are received based upon the population.
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Mr. Rosenberger stated that he had objected very strongly to the
project when it was presented before, therefore, he would like to say that he
would be in favor of this phase of the study as presented.
A brief discussion was held.
Upon motion made by Thomas Rosenberger and seconded by Elmer Venskoske,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby move that this study be made by Mr. Elmore of Daniel A.
Robinson, Associates.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk;.DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman -- YES
LFPDC Comprehensive Plan
A discussion was held on neighborhood parks as listed in the LFPDC
Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Berg pointed out that these parks would be a grassy,
open area with play equipment such as swings. He.stated the Senseny Road
School is used as a park with ball fields therefore it would be a neighborhood
park. Mr. Berg pointed out the County Recreation Plan talks about sharing
facilities between the Recreation Commission and the School Board.
Mr. Berg told the Commission the LFPDC Comprehensive Plan listed in their
introduction that the policies of this report should be used as input to and not
as a substitute for local plans.
A brief discussion followed in which A -95 review grants were discussed and
Mr. Berg told the Commission that local planning had higher priority than the
district plan. He stated the only way the County could have problems getting
this grant money would be if they decided to do some.project that was not covered
in either plan.
Upon motion made by James Golladay, Jr. and seconded by Thomas Rosenberger,
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BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia.does hereby recommend approval to the Board of Supervisors of this
Lord Fairfax District Comprehensive Plan with the following recommendations:
that the policies of this Lord Fairfax Planning report are to be used as input
and not as a substitute for the Frederick County Comprehensive Plan.
The motion passed by the following vote: Kirk; DeHaven; Golladay, Jr.;
Venskoske; Brumback; Rosenberger;
Chairman - YES
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MAP REVISIONS
Mr. Berg told the Commission that needed to decide what they were
going to do about the new mapping system. He stated they needed to decide
whether they were going to make adjustments, down zone property or leave
property that people had had rezoned alone.
A brief discussion was held and it was decided that a night meeting would
be held to discuss these maps. A meeting was set for Tuesday, June 27 at 7:30 PM.
GENERAL
Mr. Brumback stated he would like to see a master plan on the area of Fox
Drive and the Apple Pie Ridge area. He recommended that this be brought up at
another meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Upon motion made by James Golladay, Jr., seconded by W. French Kirk and
approved unanimously,
BE IT RESOLVED, That the Planning Commission for the County of Frederick,
Virginia does hereby adjourn its meeting; there being no further business.
THERE BEING NOTHING FURTHER TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.
Respectfully Sub mitjtteed�,�
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H. Ronald Berg, Secretar
C. Langdo Gordon, Chairman
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