BZA 06-21-11 Meeting MinutesMEETING MINUTES
OF THE
FREDERICK COUNTY BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS
Held in the Board Room of the Frederick County Administration Building, 107 N. Kent Street,
Winchester, Virginia, on June 21, 2011.
PRESENT Jay Givens, Vice Chairman, Back Creek District; Gary Oates, Stonewall District;
Eric Lowman, Red Bud District; Bruce Carpenter, Gainesboro District; and Robert W. Wells,
Member -At- Large.
ABSENT: Kevin Scott, Chairman, Shawnee District; and R. K. Shirley, III, Opequon
District.
STAFF
PRESENT Mark R. Cheran, Zoning Administrator; and Bev Dellinger, BZA Secretary.
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Givens at 3:25 p.m. and he
determined there is a quorum.
On a motion made by Mr. Wells and seconded by Mr. Carpenter, the minutes for the May
17, 2011 meeting were unanimously approved as presented.
Vice Chairman Givens inquired if there are any applications pending for July, other than
the two that were tabled from May. Mr. Cheran responded there are no new applications at this
time; the cut -off date is Friday, June 24, 2011.
PUBLIC HEARING
Variance Request #03 -11 of Orange Partners at Kernstown Commons, for a four
and one half foot variance of the ten foot setback for an interstate sign as it relates
to Chapter 165 Zoning, Part 704 IA Interstate Area Overlay District, Section 165 -
704.05(D)(1) District Regulations; Setback Requirements. The subject property is
located on the southwestern quadrant interchange for Route 37 and Route 11 in
Kernstown, and is identified with Property Identification Number 75 -5 -10 in the
Back Creek Magisterial District.
ACTION — VARINANCE APPROVED
Mr. Cheran presented the staff report. Frederick County adopted the Interstate Area Overlay
District (IA) in 1995. The IA District qualifies uses to be allowed on the sign, height of the sign,
number of signs and sign setbacks within the district. The IA District setbacks are ten feet from
property lines. The applicant is requesting a four and one half foot variance of the required ten foot
setback due to utility easement lines and the future expansion of Interstate 81. If granted, the variance
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will result in a five and one half foot setback from the property line. Mr. Cheran stated that the sign
itself has met the qualifications of and been approved by Frederick County and VDOT.
Mr. Cheran further stated that the sign manufacturer met with him and VDOT. Because this is
the interstate overlay and this request concerns VDOT's right -of -way, Mr. Cheran felt that VDOT
should be represented in the meeting. VDOT, by email, stated that as Frederick County's regulations
are more stringent than VDOT, they will defer the waiver question to the County. VDOT further stated
that they have provided information so that "the applicant's engineer has been made aware of the
planned excavation for the construction of the future 1 -81 Exit 310 ramps and C -D lanes, and should
design the sign footer accordingly. The incursion into the zoning buffer will be at the applicant's risk
and liability should any problems arise from the future excavation on the Interstate right -of- way."
In conclusion, Mr. Cheran stated that this request from current setbacks of the IA District may be
justified to accommodate the future expansion of Interstate 81 and due to the existing utility easements
in the vicinity which restricts movement of the sign. This variance request appears to meet the intent of
The Code of Virginia 15.2309 (2).
The application shows the request is for a five foot setback and Mr. Lowman asked Mr. Cheran
if it is five feet or four and one half feet. Mr. Cheran responded they're requesting a four and one half
foot variance resulting in a five and one half foot setback.
Mr. David Lellock, who is representing the applicant, stated that where the sign is proposed to be
located, Orange Partners has dedicated about 20 feet of property and that the previous sign easement
extended the original VDOT right -of -way line, which is actually the fence line. Mr. Lellock said it is
unique that they have donated the property to VDOT but a new limited access fence has not been
constructed yet.
Mr. Scott Marsh of Marsh & Legge Land Surveyors stated that he and Mr. Lellock work
together. Mr. Marsh said the additional right -of -way is a voluntary right -of -way area and that it was the
right thing to do. A sign can be in the wrong place and cause people to go the wrong way or it can be in
the correct place and help guide people to where they want to be. Further, this sign meets Frederick
County's and VDOT's requirements. A larger sign has a large concrete "dead man" and that's the
restrictive element of where a sign is positioned. Mr. Marsh feels the sign is proposed for the right place
and he requests approval of this variance.
Mr. Carpenter asked if they had looked into a monopole -type sign instead of a two post type sign
as shown in their sign design. Mr. Bob Runyan of Eddie Edwards' Signs responded that what works out
the best for all parties involved is to do a sign of this style, where the structural integrity of two poles is
shared. With two poles, you don't have to have as much structure built into the huge cabinet, which is
23 feet wide and 22 feet tall, for all the properties' signs /logos. It would be very difficult to take a box
that big and put it 80 feet in the air with just one support. Two supports makes for a safer, better built
system.
Mr. Oates asked if a monopole -type sign would work if it was 50 or 60 feet tall instead of 80
feet. Mr. Runyan stated the same issues are involved. The same square footage amount would be
subject to up to maybe 90 mph winds.
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Mr. Oates stated that one of VDOT's comments was that if the variance is granted, it will be at
the applicant's risk and liability should any problems arise from the future exaction on the Interstate
right -of -way. Mr. Lellock stated that the bottom of the sign foundation is going to be below their ditch
line in this area. Mr. Lellock's understanding is that basically signs are now designed so that it would
not be a fall hazard. So excavation near this is going to be minimal and it doesn't appear there will be
any undercut of this sign.
Mr. Oates stated it sounds to him like if the sign needs to be removed, it will be at the applicant's
cost, not VDOT's. Mr. Oates asked if the applicant has any problem with the condition of the variance.
Mr. Lellock said they're fine with that, provided they don't take more right -of -way.
Vice Chairman Givens stated that it seems the setback question came up earlier this month,
based on the date on the plat. Part of the applicant's reasoning of requesting a variance is because the
applicant has a manufactured sign. Why has the sign already been manufactured? Mr. Marsh responded
that originally the easement created for the sign was intended to go all the way to the existing right -of-
way into the voluntary area. There was an implication that was the original intent and the reservation of
all this was to allow for that. Mr. Marsh explained the design of the sign is very standard and tailored to
the site. They're here for the variance; the sign hasn't been built and the foundation hasn't been poured
because they want to get this resolved with the variance.
Vice Chairman Givens referred to a letter from Lellock Consulting to the BZA where it states
will require additional revisions to portions of the sign that have already been manufactured ". Mr.
Lellock stated the only part of the sign that's been manufactured is the columns and the columns have
been ordered because there was a mistake made between the purchasing person and the vendor for the
pipes.
Mr. Cheran stated the applicant was within the County's required setback requirement and the
permit was issued. The applicant's representatives discovered this issue, came to the County for
guidance and then applied for the variance. This accounts for what may appear to be a discrepancy in
the time line.
Mr. Wells asked Mr. Cheran if there was any other place on the property where the sign could be
located and achieve the same signage effect without granting this variance. Mr. Cheran responded no.
Vice Chairman Givens asked if anyone present wished to speak either in favor of or against this
variance request. There was no response and Vice Chairman Givens closed the public hearing portion
of the meeting.
Discussion
Vice Chairman Givens suggested that any motion that is made, particularly to approve, that we
include the fact that the applicant is responsible. The BZA and the County will have responsibility for
approving a variance only - not the design of the sign or any future design of 1 -81.
Vice Chairman Givens looked at the site and he understands that storm drain structures and the
water lines would have to be relocated if the sign was moved back. Vice Chairman Givens questions if
that's a hardship to relocate those utilities even though there is cost involved. Why wouldn't it work if
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Vice Chairman Givens looked at the site and he understands that storm drain structures and the
water lines would have to be relocated if the sign was moved back. Vice Chairman Givens questions if
that's a hardship to relocate those utilities even though there is cost involved. Why wouldn't it work if
the sign was moved a little further south?
Mr. Lellock said if they try to move it past the structures that are existing, they'll have to go back
through the process of moving the sign easement. That involves going back through the covenants with
Kernstown Commons, which at times is cumbersome with some of the national tenants they have in the
development. Another aspect is there is a certain distance that this sign has to be located to existing
parking spaces. Mr. Lellock believes right now they meet that criteria, but if they move further south,
they'll be required to add additional paved surfaces and parking areas to meet that requirement.
Mr. Cheran stated this is a requirement of the Department of Transportation; they're very
particular about signs on the interstates and byways.
Vice Chairman Givens stated that would create an unusual hardship for the applicant.
Mr. Lellock continued that the sign can only reach a certain height. The way it's designed now,
they are just at that height. The further they move south, the shorter the sign legs have to be, so poles
that have been manufactured are going to be too long.
Mr. Wells made a motion to approve Variance Request #03 -11 of Orange Partners at Kernstown
Commons with the understanding that after construction of the sign that Frederick County and the Board
of Zoning Appeals be held at bay, and that any obstacle pertaining to the sign or placement of the sign
be held between the applicant and the Virginia Department of Transportation. Mr. 1 Carpenter seconded
the motion and the vote was unanimous.
Other
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 3:55 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Jay Givens, Vice Chairman
Bev Dellinger, Secretary
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